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lmdarling
09-28-2008, 06:01 PM
Hello all, I am new to the community. Firstly, sorry about the length of this first post, but a bit of background is necessary.
I have 3 lovebirds. A 3 month old DNAd male, a 15 month old female named Remi, and a 19 month old suspected male named Cisco. I have had Remi for about a year, and decided to buy her a male friend. 2 weeks ago, I bought Cisco and the baby. The breeder told me that Cisco was a male, but we all know that only DNA is for sure (that’s why I sent off for the DNA kit).
I am beginning to wonder if Cisco is a girl. He has shown no interest in breeding with Remi, despite her very numerous assertions. She dotingly grooms him, and postures for him, and asks him to regurgitate for her but he does nothing in return. He does not even groom her back. The baby on the other hand, worships the ground Remi flies over. He regurgitates to her and grooms her, and does a pretty dance for her during play sessions where I let all 3 out together. She accepts his attentions, and reciprocates, but still goes back to Cisco to preen him as well.
Cisco hates the baby. He bites the baby’s toes or anything else he can reach, and gets irate when the baby tries for Remi’s affections. He even makes special trips to the baby’s closed cage when only Remi and Cisco are out together to shake the cage door and bite at the baby thru the bars. When I let all 3 out together, Remi often steps between Cisco and the baby to keep Cisco from hurting the baby.
Remi and Cisco do cuddle, but they also bicker, and most of the squabbles, with the exception of occasional overzealous preening by Remi that annoys Cisco, are started by Cisco. Poor Remi has gotten so desperate for Cisco’s attentions that she runs under him to physically place him on her back, at which point he still does nothing, or climbs off.
My two males do not seem to play with the toys nearly as much as Remi, though all 3 enjoy a good paper shredding time. Remi is the only bird who tucks the shreds. Cisco seems mostly to sit and to eat, as does the baby.
I have a nesting box about 12”x8”x8” in the adult bird’s cage which is 3’x2’x2’, but after an initial poke of the head inside, neither bird, Remi, nor Cisco has shown further interest in the box. I have given lots of hay and other nesting materials but Cisco and Remi just chew the pieces and let them drop to the floor.
Would Remi posture to another female? Why doesn’t Cisco reciprocate if he likes her well enough to accept her advances? Does what Cisco does sound like a male lovebird defending his female, or a female that just doesn’t like the baby?
Thanks all for your input…

LauraO
09-28-2008, 09:19 PM
First off, welcome to the board. This is a great place for everything lovie and more.....Normally, anytime a new bird is introduced into your home it is imperative to have a 30 day quarantine to ensure the lovies you bring into your home are healthy and will not get your existing lovie sick. Since you have already allowed your lovies to have contact, it's too late in this case. I just suggest you keep a close eye on everybirdy's poops, energy, and eating to ensure everybirdy stays healthy.

That said, please understand that your new birds are still adjusting to their new environment. So I wouldn't expect everything to be as you expect right off. Give the new guy time to adjust and get used to Remi and see how things go. Your biggest concern is keeping the baby safe as it sounds as if Cisco is bullying him/her especially in trying to claim his interest in Remi. Lovebirds can be very deadly and dangerous when protecting what they are trying to claim. Just cause Cisco doesn't openly try and mate with Remi, it doesn't mean he/she is not interested and trying to keep the baby from her. Hopefully, everybirdy has their own cages and supervised time together as they all adjust to their new flock as this is the best way to ensure everybirdy's safety.

My other question is if you really want to breed Remi and have her have babies? If not, getting rid of the nestboxes is the first and foremost thing to do. While having baby lovies can be fun, it's a big responsibiility and finding them safe and secure homes is difficult. There are also a ton of things that can go wrong along with the difficulty of stopping breeding once it stops.

Good Luck:)

lmdarling
09-29-2008, 12:03 AM
Yes, the baby has his own private home to protect him from aggressors... Supervized playtime usually goes very well unless baby gets frisky. I did know about the quarantine being ideal, but unfortunately it was impossible to carry out in my situation. I kind of figured it might be too much to ask of Cisco to be lovy with Remi this early, but the poor girl just tries so hard to get his attention and I feel so sad for her. I did want to have one clutch or so from Remi, and then I was going to go from there, is it really that hard to get them to stop? I figured I could get a clutch and then just take the box out, to be put back if I ever wanted more babies. I am certainly less than an expert on breeding, but have made an effort to read literature on the subject. Most of my reading has been less than enlightening about details, focusing instead on the negatives. I would like to have an unrelated friend, male or female for the baby to play with. I definately appreciate how difficult it can be to find good homes for these precious babies. Their owners have to be understanding of occasional quirks, and I would not want anyone who was not serious about keeping the lovie forever to have one of my potential babies. Thank you very much for your reply, its always nice to hear confirmed what you suspect, and thank you also for the welcome.

Bubblelady
09-29-2008, 12:26 AM
Welcome! I'm fairly new here myself. I have never had more than one lovie at a time so can be of no help in answering your questions. But I have read a lot of the posts relating to beeding & have learned that I'm not brave enough to try it! You may get a good feel for the pros and cons of breeding by reading some of the past posts in the breeding sections. It sure has been an education for me! Again, welcome.

Mummieeva
09-29-2008, 05:11 AM
Many lovebirds like to lay lots of eggs once they start. Many times moms will even start a clutch before the first babies are old enough to be on their own. I would not breed unless you are ready for the possibility of alot of babies. Finding homes for them or having them in your home.Alot can go wrong and you could end up feeding one or more chicks every 2 hours all day long for a long time. A determined hen will make a nest on a cage grate if she feels like it.



Steph

Janie
09-29-2008, 09:50 AM
Hi and welcome.

Lovebirds are known to be prolific breeders and a female will lay eggs (if she wants to) with or w/o a nest box. I've read here over and over again that it is darn near impossible to stop the laying once it starts. Even with a single hen and eggs that will (obviously) be infertile. Constant laying is hard on a female, depleting calcium, and is not recommended but unfortunately, often not something you can control.

SammySamantha
09-29-2008, 10:31 PM
No helpful info from me. Just wanted to say welcome. :)