Does this look like a blue series baby?

[Daiqattack10]

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the smaller one on the left looks whitish to me. The parents are a creamino hen and a pallid green series lovebird.

Coquina and Saffron finally figured it out and the orangy baby is two days old, the whitish baby is less than 24 hours old. :)

[linda040899]

The smaller one on the left sure does appear to be blue series. The down looks whitish, which is the telltale sign of blue series Peachies. That means that dad is split for blue or you wouldn't get a visual blue series baby. Could be either male or female, but if you have a male, he's split for pallid, as well as ino. :)

[Daiqattack10]

Parents of the pallid father are a normal green peachface and a pallid green peachface, that's why I was a little confused as to how this baby has whitish down lol. I don't know about the fathers grandparents though. Weird, right?

[Daiqattack10]

More pictures, definitely white down compared to it's orange sibling!

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They're a day apart in age, orange baby is about 3 days old. I think they're looking pretty good, plump feet and full crops. :)

I thought i was going to get pallid females and pallidino males lol.

[Daiqattack10]

Update: both babies are doing good! Crops are being filled and the babies seem to double in size every day :)

-Still mystified by the white down-

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[linda040899]

-Still mystified by the white down-
Your green series parent is carrying the gene for blue. The blue series parent passes the gene because that parent is visual. The green parent may or may not pass the gene, since it's only carried. Each time the gene is passed, you have a guaranteed visual. If the green bird doesn't pass the gene, the blue gene is still inherited from the visual blue series parent so you know your green female is split for blue.

You've got quite an interesting pair! Babies look great!!

[Daiqattack10]

Your green series parent is carrying the gene for blue. The blue series parent passes the gene because that parent is visual. The green parent may or may not pass the gene, since it's only carried. Each time the gene is passed, you have a guaranteed visual. If the green bird doesn't pass the gene, the blue gene is still inherited from the visual blue series parent so you know your green female is split for blue.

You've got quite an interesting pair! Babies look great!!

I'm confused. The father is not split to blue because he has two green series parents. The female is blue because she's a creamino. So genetically, this baby shouldn't be a blue series since only one parent has the blue gene, unless maybe it skipped a generation? I know green is dominant. I don't know about the father's grandparents, but i personally know his parents and they're green.

So basically, the father passed on some blue gene from generations past? Didn't know that could happen lol.

[linda040899]

Dad inherited the blue gene from one of his parents, who also carried the gene. They both could have been split for blue but only one passed it. Blue is recessive so it needs to come from both parents. Your hen is visual so it's a guaranteed pass. Splits either will or won't. You picked an excellent mate for your hen. Breeding back to green produces genetically stronger babies. :)

[Daiqattack10]

Oh OK, thank you for clarifying :) I got the parent generation down as far as genetics but I didn't realized what there grandparents could supply recessively. So does this mean this baby could be a blue series other than a creamino if the hen didnt pass the ino gene?

The two youngsters are growing so much! The younger one has slits forming for his eyelids and the older one doesnt, I thought that was interesting. I'll post pictures of them later today when I'm not on my tablet :) baby one is a week old this afternoon! I thought it was interesting that one chose mid afternoon to hatch and the other chose middle pf the night lol :)

This is definitely an awesome experience.

[linda040899]

The green baby is known split blue, regardless of mutation that is visual, because mom is a visual blue ino so there's no "if the gene for blue is passed." Babies inherit what the parents show, exceptions being female sex linked colors. If you were to have a Green Peachie female, she could not carry sex linked genes for ino, cinnamon or opaline. Hens either show the color or it's not there. Your green baby, being a known genetically sexed hen, is not split for ino simply because she is a female. She did, however, inherit the gene for blue from mom but not dad, which is why she's green series instead of blue. :)

[Daiqattack10]

OK now Im confused about how the green series baby is a known female. Can't it be a male splitcinnamonino or a pallid female?

[linda040899]

Dad is a Pallid Green and the green baby has plum colored eyes. Plum colored eyes is a characteristic of Cinnamon/Pallid and both are sex linked. Since mom is a visual ino and she can't carry sex linked genes, the gene came from dad so that makes the baby a hen. :)

[Daiqattack10]

I'm amazed that you could tell the eye color when the babies eyes weren't even open yet.:clap

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We have little eye slits! It's so cute when they blink their little slits. :)

Do you have any idea what the blue baby might be, gender wise?

[linda040899]

Do you have any idea what the blue baby might be, gender wise?
I've been avoiding this question because the explanation is extremely complex. Here is a link to an article that may either clarify or confuse: http://www.mutavi.info/index.php?ref=auscinn

Based on the fact that your male is the one that passed the gene for pallid, you should have another hen but this one could be pallid ino.

[Daiqattack10]

I see what you mean by confusing :)

Pappa definitely has grey flights: https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/389103_559910080696034_730401720_n.jpg

I don't mind waiting to see what these babies want to surprise me with, but if I do indeed get a pallid-ino will it be visibly different from normal pallid aside from red eyes? I read somewhere that it would just be a lighter version of a pallid with less color.

[linda040899]

I read somewhere that it would just be a lighter version of a pallid with less color.
Yes, but the main difference will be in the color of the flight feathers. Dad's are a darker grey. A pallid ino will have lighter grey. Those plum colored eyes will appear to fade to darker but if you look at the eyes in bright light/sunlight, you can still see that they are dark but not black like, say, a green peachie.

Confusing is an understatement! To truly understand sex linked mutations, you almost have to be a breeder and have bred the mutations!!!

[Daiqattack10]

Blue series baby appears to have red eyes
Green baby is getting feathers in :)

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[Daiqattack10]

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Well, here they are!

[linda040899]

Oh my! Such plump feet!!! They really look great! If they pin feathers coming in are yellow, you have a Creamino and it could be a boy or a girl. Dad would be split ino and passed the gene on to the little one.

[Daiqattack10]

I think i've got a creamino and a pallid :)

I have pictures posted in the photo gallery if you want to see their progress Linda :)

[linda040899]

I was thinking the same thing when I looked at the photos last night. They are just so cute!

If the one is, indeed, a Creamino, it can be a male or a female. Creamino would mean dad is split Ino so the gene came from both parents. You'll have to DNA sex this little beauty!

[Daiqattack10]

Since Saffron's mom was a visual pallid and the dad was visually a normal green, I suppose the dad could have been split to just about anything. He would have had to have been split to pallid to produce Saffron, so maybe he had ino in there too..

I guess we just have to keep watching and waiting :)

They're so precious! I'm starting to handle them a bit, they're super curious. I have one peeking out of the nest box staring at me right now :)